Stop Living In Fight‑Or‑Flight: Practical Tools To Get Back To Baseline | With Sophia Torrini

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[SPEAKER_01]: In a world where we are full of anxiety and overwhelm and constantly going 100 miles an hour, what would happen to your life if you could figure out how to get back to baseline, to be regulated, to be able to take all the things that are happening and navigate life the way that you're meant to be, not in the way that we are in the world that we live in today, which as someone who is impacted by it, I can tell you a certainty learning to be able to cope with the anxiety,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that comes up in my day-to-day life as an entrepreneur, a business owner, a coach and podcast host, is something that I'm always working on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm super excited for our conversation today with our amazing guests, Sophia Torcherini, because we are going to dive deeply into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if you're my friend, how are you today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much and it's an honor being on your show and how are you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really good actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to do this with you because I think about this a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's this thing that we exist in in this eco chamber of society where we are bathed in anxiety today and some curious before we jump in and we walk that path.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why should anyone listen to our conversation today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are they going to get out of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me answer it a little bit differently first, and then I'll answer your question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me push back a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you survived something that you weren't supposed to survive, you know that feeling in your body, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You walk into the room, your read a message, or someone or some certain tone,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the body responds before your mind can catch up, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's this tightness in your chest, your stomach drops, something inside of you is racing for an impact that's not coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not anxiety.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a survival pattern.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And your nervous system learned it and it saved you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And nobody told you that the danger was over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So why they should listen to me because I built a method

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because that's exactly what it does, it overrides the survival pattern at the level that actually lives, which is the nervous system, not by talking about your past or by changing something in the future, by actually changing what exactly is happening in real time in your body right here right now in the present.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason that this matters is because this pattern actually cost me my career, and it almost costs my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want later on, I can explain the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know how to do this because I work from the inside out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I literally mean it's for my own experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that answered your question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's dive into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Their patterns tend to be behavioral based on experiences that we've had, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anytime you show me someone's pattern, I could sit with someone and by their mannerisms, if they do or do not have eye contact, the way that they move, the way they chew their food, the way they react to noises.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the way they walk, the way they're in the gym, the way they make love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like all of these things, you can kind of tell someone's pattern, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so some of these things were born with, I think, maybe it's genetic and other things probably more so aren't heretic, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you have this really interesting conversation about nature versus nurture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think to be trapped in the pattern of constantly being an anxiety fear, fight, flight, freeze, fun, like that doesn't feel normative to me, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, how do we decipher and know the difference between this is a pattern and it's something that is a survival mechanism and this is anxiety, like how to is there's a way we can kind of look at the difference of those two things?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so first of all, most of the anxiety is actually a pattern.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are, I mean, if you have a tiger right in front of you right here right now, that is a legitimate situation of pure anxiety, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not what's happening in real time, most of the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's when we actually become small when we get quiet when we're scanning unconsciously

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we have a default behavior that we don't want, that's when you know it's a pattern and you actually don't feel good about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you go home later on, you feel like you messed it up and you beat yourself up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So unless there's a legitimate situation and most of the time, most of us are in our heads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we learn these patterns and all patterns we know get learned actually starting from the womb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first trimester, not when you're outside the womb, from you're picking up from your mother, including your father, certain behaviors so you can adapt to the current environment you're coming in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's some other patterns we can go a little deeper that are coming from other

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So these patterns get learned from your first trimester till about seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to extend the age because some people mature a little different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the age cutoff doesn't really matter, but you know, till about let's say 12 or 13.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they become your default behavior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as you grow later, you're realizing you're having challenges.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's what's what's so interesting is when I when I think about that, you know, my mother was in a very abusive relationship, right, and it ends up being this thing where she leaves my father, there's lots of drugs, there's lots of alcohol, there's lots of who knows right and the only thing I do know is well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that information and data that she was bringing in, obviously carried over into my life, right, and into my siblings' lives and into, you know, we look at this from a genetic perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's literally in your DNA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like there, there's something about that where if you can at least acknowledge that, because the research proves it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, it's funny because as you were saying that a few years ago, I had Dr. Gabor Matay on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we literally talked about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were having this conversation about that being a reality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: so then what do you do with that information right because there's this period of time where it serves you it's protective and then it's not so what what starts to happen and how do you how do you like I guess really first before you do something with the information how do you even know or understand if the pattern you're being impacted by our positive or negative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's how it's affecting your life, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can give you one of my first examples and I'll give you my second one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had been preparing for the center of your high and position, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I grew up in the home, I'll tell you more details later, but pretty much that speaking up was not safe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so that's one of the patterns, because the people who were supposed to protect me were actually the abusers that I needed protection from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the setup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was both physical and emotional abuse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So here I am going through life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm preparing for this high and job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had done seven interviews.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the eighth interview, internally, my hands would go, you know, my chest would tighten, my hand would go cold, my thoughts were racing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't about my qualifications because on paper, I was great, on performance, I was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is whether they would pick up what I was carrying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that anxiety somehow leaked through and up to the seventh interview every sentence they said you're exactly what we're looking for now this was a really high end position that it was only me and one more person and by the eighth interview they told me called me on the phone I didn't get it while I was on the phone I realized that the person who showed up in that interview wasn't the true me wasn't the capable me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when I first identified that I was acting from smallness and while I was walking home because I was actually walking home that night, I didn't feel defeated, I actually felt robbed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's something I had prepared for all my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get it because of the sun's

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[SPEAKER_00]: that is a pattern.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a second story that happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm realizing all of these childhood patterns because up to this point, we learn when we're climbing the corporate ladder to push through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just overriding, overriding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's so much that the body can take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I got hit with another scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when I realized, OK, this is not me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was depriving me of, well, in this case, it did provide me with my financial success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, you go through beating yourself up and the, you know, how come this happened to me and whatever the mind creates?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the second one almost cost my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a real reckoning for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that I think happens a lot and another experience that's obviously is it feels so normal until it doesn't right and and you know maybe maybe those aren't necessarily rock bottom moments in terms of the traditional sense right but there these really big ha wait a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to take inventory of women actually going on in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it makes me think of Gay Hendrix book, The Big Leap, and he talks about this idea of this upper limitation, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this place where we get stuck, the place of the self-sabotage, the place of the anxiety, the place of not giving yourself the things that you need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it always comes back to that root, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you see this in hyperformers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you were in a hyperformer, you don't make it to seven or eight interviews, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But hyperformers tend to get stuck in kind of these invisible loops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would have to assume you tell me if I'm wrong, you know, they're probably a ton of overthinking happening there, a bunch of self-imposed pressure, perfectionism, all of these things that tend to exist for people who they're stuck,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had this happen to me when I was young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny as you were telling the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When when I was 19 and 20, I had spent two years applying for every single insurance company in America, because my best friend at the time he had gotten a job working for a major insurance company, he had made it out of where we had grew up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was doing well and I was like, oh, that must be the path.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and what was really interesting is I was just bathed in anxiety every single time I walked into one of those interviews every time because like you would like was allowed to speak up or have a voice or have a authority very different than I I am today and it wasn't until I actually just I just think I remember this I was going into the interview

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[SPEAKER_01]: For the position I actually ended up getting, working for this Fortune 10 insurance company took me two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But on that day, I remember driving to the interview and I was like, I don't give a fuck anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it was so freeing because it was like, wait a second, what if I'm the upper limit here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What if it is me and my decision making and thinking that's causing this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious, so a lot of people are listening and they're like, yeah, sometimes I've sabotaged or I have these anxiety moments or I see myself in these stories, okay, but now what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, so if we can acknowledge it, well, what do we do with it from there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a couple of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, what we've described up to this point is a nervous system behavior, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what most people try to do is override it either by forcing through, analyzing or taking mental action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What if we could actually go, and I know you've had a lot of people on this subject and they're accurate, what if we went into the body?

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[SPEAKER_00]: to actually take the pattern out of the body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's discuss how it actually happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So first, there's a bodily sensation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the first thing that happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the body records it as an emotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then there's the thought and the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually the proper sequence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right because the body knows before the minds, they've been many tests that verify that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're trying to solve it with our head and we're looping with the affirmations and we're reading the box and we know there's the thermostat or the upper ceiling and we can never really break free till we actually go inside the body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a reason for it because we have three brains.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have the near cortex, the limbic brain, that's the one that produces all the chemistry and then the cerebellum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when the anxiety comes up, what is the first thing that we know from neuroscience is your near cortex goes online to see the worst case scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we reverse engineer it and keep on giving a signal to the body,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that, okay, they're the alarm is going on, which we learned maybe the first trimester, maybe you learned it whenever you learned it to keep on giving an opposite signal and keep on interrupting it sooner or later, that signal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those neurons are going to be cut off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when we, and I'll go through the process,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is mostly what I do when we interrupt the pattern finally we get to the point we actually have to replace it with something else something positive because the mind is a predictive machine and it always based on the past is scanning to predict the future so we want to use the body and we want to use some simple techniques because when we make it very complicated you're going to get overwhelmed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all it needs is 90 seconds and I'll explain why 90 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we know once the the bottle of sensation and the chemistry gets produced, let's say it's fear, there's going to be chemistry from the Olympic brain flooding the body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your digestion may stop, whatever it is, let's say it's a fear response, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So your pupils are going to dilate, maybe you start sweating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that chemistry we know from, I think her last name is Jalta, Jalta, last 90 seconds to two minutes, if there's no thinking to reinforce the loop and most of us don't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we get into the slope and the anxiety from 90 seconds to two minutes now has lasted half an hour, because we keep on feeding it, and if we actually write in the moment and interrupt it, now over a period of time we can unwire that process.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I've I've experienced that in my own life right where I've had these moments where and I even call it looping because that's really what it is You're just you're just you're in it over and over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing you get in a fight with your husband or wife And like oh that motherfucker right you're looping right you have a problem with an employee I should fire them you're looping right I always tell people this because it's something I had to learn so when I was coaching

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[SPEAKER_01]: for many, many years and thousands and thousands of people come through my programs, I would always say the peace is in the pause.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are so reactive all the time that we forget that we have to like calm our nervous system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's why like I try not to ever personally, I try not to make really hard decisions, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, if I can within the week that I find out that I have to make the hard decision, like I really try to sleep on it a few nights, get a couple gym sessions and get some meditations and get some journaling in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I used to be so reactive immediately, and I realized, especially when I was younger, I would just burn everything down that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, well, what does that end up doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, hell, that just makes you way more anxious than you were to begin with, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think people always hear, you know, calm yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've heard the 90-second role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they hear, you know, take the walk of the meditation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's actually within the practice of doing it that your life actually changes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's actually the hardest part of this, because you talk about simplification and making this easy,

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was it like for you you start to get into understanding yourself better was this a path where you were like, okay, I'm going to do therapy, I got a coach or reading books, Tony Robbins, you know, what am I programs, you know, I don't know what it is, but like what were the things in the beginning when after acknowledgement, you have to have action, right, and so I'm curious, what did you start doing at first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I did a lot of stuff and I'm going to be very honest because there's a huge traumatic experience before this is not I had insight one moment and then I was fine right so this is for me how it worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I tried everything, when I mean everything for over 16 years, and I literally went broke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I did CBT, EMDR, body experience, hypnosis, CICA, healing codes, all of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's more to it, and I didn't just dabble what I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I made a decision at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I gave every method a chance, and I kept on getting defeated, and this wasn't a privilege.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I ended up being, it was a financial reckoning for me, why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because my nervous system was running me to the ground and nothing was working, I catafined a solution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happened afterwards?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause I had read Dr. Joe's dispensers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't even meditate for the life of me, even though I had been to his events.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I started doing is I, which at the time I thought was ridiculous, I started doing nifty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And after EFT, once I started, I had a very good practitioner, not the, and I'll explain not the EFT, you see on the internet, literally connecting with the body slowly breathing and connecting to the body and doing the EFT very slowly, then later the meditation worked because I had turned on the signal to the body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm safe to be connected inside the body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then the psychedelics worked, and the EMDR that didn't work for me before worked, and the hypnosis worked for me, which in the beginning, none of them were more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, the favorites were, well, obviously, I started EFT, Dr. Joe's work, his neuroscience framework, connecting with your future self was perfect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: after the EFT, and then all those other modalities because EMDR's a little different than EFT, it actually reprocesses the memory of versus EFT releases the emotional charge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the two of them with the other, then it started working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all it took after the 16 years was 18 months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once I was safe in the body, it took 18 months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yep, I resonate with that entirely because I, when I was 29, 30, and I moved to to Portland, Oregon from Indiana, it was, so I could walk that same path.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I walked into looking at what I was about to have to do as this very much any means necessary

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you, I tried every modality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You name it, I tried it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was in anything off the table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some things worked obviously and some things didn't, and that's kind of the nature of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it wasn't until I was probably like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: want to say two years ish in so I'm like 31 heading towards 32 that it really started to take hold because I'd spent a lot of time getting my brain and my body reconnected a lot of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean and I think that was through the journaling that was through the meditation, through the

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[SPEAKER_01]: was the most important thing which I actually don't talk about enough I don't think was through massage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I must have gone and there was this amazing woman who I spent every Tuesday and Friday with for two years in her massage studio and it went from my body was so stiff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She would touch me

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[SPEAKER_01]: at first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she'd be like, I'm not touching you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, that's that's how tight I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how much in fight or fly at I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how much my body has protected itself from physical touch from other human beings because of all of the abuse in childhood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so two years of going and going and going and going, the mile-fashile release, the jaw releases, the TMJ release, all of the things were happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then one day, because I live in Portland, so we walk everywhere right at Bicycle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I kind of miss that time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm walking from Hollywood District up to where I live on 79th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is about a 25-ish minute walk, depending on how fast you walk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I was down in Hollywood, I'd just finished, or this is backwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was walking from her office up on 79th down to Hollywood where my therapist was and this was right after session and I get into the therapist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was an EMDR with this amazing woman as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably 15 years at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everywhere I had walked, I had walked with keys between my knuckles, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This very, like, defensive posture, always hyper vigilant every time I'm outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's what's what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm six foot four, 225 pounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing martial arts my whole life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People don't mess with me, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But because I was never safe as a child, and I never felt safe in my body, I did that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That massage session for whatever reason that day and that EMDR session, since and that was over a decade ago, I've never done that one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you talk about getting into the body and I'm like, yep, that's the thing that you have to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think about this and I go, okay, those are real tools, but why are people keep it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I phrase this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do people keep repeating the same patterns even though they have the tools?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we do all this work and then you come back and you're right back to where you were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you solve that problem?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I'll be very direct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of us get the awareness and they think the awareness is the problem as the solution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The awareness is the basement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The awareness is not enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could tell you it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can only speak for myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The next, I'm so you have to see the pattern.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to interrupt the pattern, and you have to rewire the pattern.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the process, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you have to find out the software program that's causing the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to interrupt it, you have to delete it, and then you have to rewire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we've been disconnected from the body, the bodily sensations do not feel good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as children, we disassociated and that was our safety and it actually verified it was our protection, it was actually good when we did it as kids and somehow there is this belief out there that it's going to feel fully comfortable what feels comfortable is after the release is you get the bliss I even had experiences this is going to sound crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where I'm in meditation and all of a sudden there's this new feeling and it's feeling like anxiety yet it's not anxiety because there's nothing happening because it's so unfamiliar to me that my body is recording it as danger in the beginning to realize it's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a new emotion as we're elevating up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the good news is I know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I sit well, I mean, I don't sit with it very long, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm training myself to sit with it, then eventually afterwards you get even bliss if you can go through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But most people either stop at the first step, okay, I know I have a sad but I sabotage problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you six way how I do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but they don't know how to interrupt it or even if they interrupt it, they stop on the rewiring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like baking a cake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna have to do the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You put the sequence in the right order.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You put it in the oven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, now you have to cook it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not gonna come out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you do the wrong order, it's not gonna work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now is there

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to listen to Robert Edward Gratt who's discovered the reality how it works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he says there's many ways to get to where you want to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's only one way that is the most direct and efficient.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mathematically, he's proved that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you learn these modalities and you put them in the right order, you're going to get their faster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no, I love the analogy there because as you were saying that, I was just thinking myself, if you just threw flower and cocoa and salt and butter and cream or milk or what I don't have make a cake, but you just do all that stuff into the oven and a pan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is not a cake and in fact, I would argue it's probably not even edible, you know, and so I think that's a really, really good point because I think people want to skip the process.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, one of the things that I created when I was still coaching was this 18 week program and it was like it worked like clockwork and I can always tell it was really funny because by week four, everyone always asked me the same question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can always tell who was doing the work because if by the time we were on week four, they hadn't asked me that question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I realize they weren't doing the work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But but this is okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about this for a second because this this made me think of something as we were going through this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get the recipe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want cake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want cake, damn it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get the recipe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't make the cake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right, people want to shortcut this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to do this work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we, you can't make anyone do anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I've coached 3000 people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you immediately the people who be successful and who won't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's always been the people who are willing to do the thing that makes them uncomfortable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: correct in the order matters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of times, so I'm many of two practitioners you already know and I incorporate breath and which I think is important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's various reasons I won't go to the details, but starting with a regulated breath is going to get you in more awareness, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of people go on the tapping script, they

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[SPEAKER_00]: they've read the marketing, you can tap it away in five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't work that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they don't do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you hit the first one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to connect to feel that uncomfortable bodily sensation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I can say from experience, it doesn't last forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It actually will last maybe five, 10 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't resist it,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The same way that chemistry was 90 seconds, it's gonna be about two minutes if you do not allow the stories, but the thing is we've been all wired to resist it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you said a lot of you know, you can tell the people who give up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we usually give up a lot of times on the third stage where we know what we know what we do know and how to get out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then we don't wanna take the action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Dr. General likes to say from thinking to doing it to being, you actually have to go to the being part that is the feeling part and you get the reward afterwards you don't get it the moment you're in the fire you get it afterwards and we've learned taught we want immediate gratification.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what I was taught to, but it having been on the side, this is how it works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm wrong, but this is how it's worked for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what gets results.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I see results with clients, that's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen some really, really good results.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The people who do the uncomfortable sensation, I have a woman who's paralyzed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it wasn't she was so desperate and she's willing to trust and she follows the sequence and she's disciplined and she doesn't get it right then and there it's a week or two later because Perrell says a little different the body responds a little different you don't get it right away but she went from McCain to going on a treadmill and now she's on an incline but she's been uncomfortable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but isn't that better?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The joy of actually, and she's young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's so young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now she's going to be able to go to the world and physically walk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's actually walking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she has an eight-inch little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she's, you can't say she's paralyzed anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I look at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've read a lot of Joe's work over the years, watched tons of his podcast have dinner with him a couple of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing that's really interesting about him is it's not all the work that he's talked about, the quantum and all that, sure, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But honestly, that stuff doesn't resonate with me that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can kind of logic myself into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing that I always just sit in, and I think about this every day, is like, how do you break the habit of being yourself?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's such a wild concept, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you look at this, okay, if we're starting this conversation in this path of anxiety and patterns, and you make the decision, technology to start taking the action, doing the work, sitting in the discomfort, following the recipe, we'll now you get to this place where it's like, okay, well, how do I continue to perform without anxiety by shifting that internal baseline daily?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's kind of where I start to look at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I go, what do I have to do today to be the me that I want to be, not the me that I was baked in the, you know, the womb as, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I see this regression happen with people a lot, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where they'll have this,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I call it the Tony Robbins Syndrome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Tony.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've done platinum partnership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a huge fan, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Tony Robbins Syndrome to me, I would love to have him on the show one day to ask him this question, is to look at people who they leave that event and on the backside for a week, they're on fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then they're right back to who they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the things that I know that you've been able to do, you've been able to create longevity, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that you've been into a lot of these spaces and done a tremendous amount of this work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we stay in this body that we want to have on the daily basis?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And some areas I haven't been as good but for the health aspect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I'm your human.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because I've done a lot of jail events, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I wasn't healing in the beginning right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, right, we started with a concept, your personality creates your personal reality, how you think acting feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when I look at Dr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jail and I look at Tony Robbins, because I've done just the simple Tony Robbins stuff, there is a discipline and a commitment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you ever notice,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony, he uses his body to change his state on a regular basis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is relentless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Dr. Joe, on another aspect, he has his own method.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He uses his body so relentlessly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He actually has a concept that in the beginning, I didn't understand, but now I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to overcome your body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: environment and time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't surrender to your body and you keep on having your vision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you fail?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course you fail in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's this commitment and commitment with a long term vision and the rewards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now Tony has he calls it the Dickens method.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the Dickens method is actually based on one of the old methods of Dr. David Hawkins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you imagine yourself and I actually did that before I knew Tony Robbins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a situation that I was terrified.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was during the pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was terrified about the scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I asked my practitioner, here's the method.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take me to the worst case scenario and take me to my deathbed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like shivering with fear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I tapped through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then eventually I moved through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the worst case scenario I never happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually stayed in my power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I refused everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my way because I was going to protect my own body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I haven't been successful in every area of my life using the method, but in this case, I remember it very clearly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had so much regret.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw my life being ill and dying and dying alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I literally, he had me sit with that and amplify it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I physically got sick in my body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That we eventually created a shift.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you're saying this, the thing that comes to mind for me is that it's so much about this journey of visualization and creating the reality that you want to have and it's interesting because there's been so many times in my life that I've had deja vu because I had already seen it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the fucked up part that also includes the bad things right I'm a catastrophizer by nature because it's you know my super power to look for the worst case right I think most people can tend to do that but for me it was just like it's ramped up times 10 right so I had to learn this idea about creating this identity shift to get from reactive to decisive and calm and being able to be a hyper former in the vision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of being like, this is where I want to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to write these books to do this podcast to be on billboards and time squared, to be on stages in front of 10,000 people, to coach all these people, to do blah, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, all the things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was so much about this rewiring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If people want to get into this other place in their life,

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is it that they really need to do in order to shift their identity?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what is the biggest thing that you see once they're in their body, they're more connected, but now they start to see the vision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is what happened to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to create just a touch more context.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I distinctly remember there's this moment of time in me thinking like, oh, that's the path forward, but being in combat with myself and the present moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I came up with this idea many years ago, this moniker called no excuses, just results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And effectively, what that means is, it doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Move forward, go to that place and do that thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that worked really well for me because I rewired all of who I am by proving to myself that I could be someone different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for people who are listening, how do you help them get to that place?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I have a little tiny, pretty much the same little tiny different approach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So every pattern has chemistry that's in the body, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually what creates the tightness every time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do believe in quantum physics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and the second law of thermodynamics says energy can never be created or destroyed,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, my preferred choice is once we identify and we keep on doing the interrupt, we actually, I usually take them to the younger self.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't retraumatize them, I don't need to hear the story, cause you know what fires together, wires together, all I need to know is after we have the younger self in the protected state, what is it that they're feeling, where they're feeling it, what is the belief?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So once I neutralize that chemistry and most of the time, most of the people, including myself, because I do this on myself, I feel the energy moving, then I do what we do is we either give a voice to the younger self.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if it was an unfair situation, the voices given, and then we ask the younger self, how would they like to play out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we repattern that, and it's called Matrix Remprinting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trained from someone else, and my version is called Hacking Reality because the trainer was different, but it's the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you rewire and re-imprint that memory with the emotion, the key here is to produce new chemistry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to change your life, you have to produce

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[SPEAKER_00]: not a mental charge, an emotional charge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the emotional charge in the body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what I do the step that you suggested, I actually future pace them, they connect to their future self, and now they reembodied the future self.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can tell you from personal experience I was physically abused, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a pretty scanning the room of the person who abused me, I've actually clear those memories that it seems that they belong to someone else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was able to see him in person and give them a hug, not in the closed environment and let it go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it took me a while to have an overnight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But those memories, if you were to ask me to describe them, they don't have a charge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I was doing my clearing, I did not describe what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they belonged to someone else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not me anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think keeps people from rejecting that future self?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we get them to accept that they can be that person?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so when you, let's assume I want to give you another scenario before I answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's assume they're doing some visualization about the future self and they're trying to feel the joy of the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the body is steeped with failure,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an opposite frequency, an opposite emotion that they can't actually feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they get frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can actually feel their future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In order to get to answer your question, in order for them to get to the future self, they have to clear any emotion at any belief that's holding a hostage because the truth of the matter, even though I don't always believe it, but it is true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do believe it, but sometimes I doubt it, you can become and be anything you want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your past doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that is the truth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we've been conditioned that we can't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if people can trust and find the coach, the coaches, you and I, as coaches, don't have a magic formula.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing the healing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're actually mirroring back to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're best potential.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they're willing to trust us because we've been through some experiences,

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[SPEAKER_00]: there is no reason why they can't get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure you have the same experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had some students, but the student is better than the teacher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that motivates me even better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had some clients that they go through it no matter and I said, why am I getting stuck?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of times it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for me, you know, and I'm on the back side of a high, the beginning I should say of a high aid us from coaching after doing it for a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big proponent of finding the right person for you, by the way, let's be very clear about that because there are definitely people as I coached over the years, we would be in, you know, our discovery calls transformation calls, whatever, and I'd be like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to work in this program.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the right fit for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me recommend you to somebody, but for me the thing that I always saw was, if I could sit with someone and I could help them understand that they are only a matter of decisions away from a different life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then I could always predict their success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was the people who would fight it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They would reject it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I would hear the, oh, I don't know, or maybe it's like, you've got to be so fucking committed to the idea that you can transform, that the coach, the people that you're working with, they're the, they're the experience with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, always look that as like I'm a liaison here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm giving you a tool kit and some path.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like ultimately, I'm just here to be like, hey, try that or do this or walk over there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the experience that I always had and still do have because I have coaches right now because like, that's why I operate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just what I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I'm with them and they're like, hey, did you do this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, yeah, good point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should go do that thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how I stay in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the things that I love about this conversation is

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's your literally doing that thing where you go, I'm gonna go serve the person that I used to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that carries so much weight in a world where like you said marketers are really great at hey five minutes to heal your life tapping and that's bullshit, it doesn't work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What works is connecting with the people who've walked the path.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm curious before I ask you my last question,

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[SPEAKER_01]: where can everybody find you, where can everybody learn more and tell us a little bit more about how you help people transform their lives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, on all social media and the handle is tap into your best self.com or tap into your best self and I offer a clarity call complimentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I

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[SPEAKER_00]: do offer two master classes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do teach one of Dr. Joe dispenses courses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's in your science course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Change your mind, create new results.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I combine that with a 90 day program with the FT to actually heal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we need in your science.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we actually need to address the body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where they can find me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can shoot me an email.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I write a blog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do some videos on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like to help people because I feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody can heal and it doesn't matter where you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also don't want them to weigh 16 years like I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I literally before I found what actually works, which you have a similar story, I don't want to, you know, I don't want them to weigh 16 or 20 years to get to the right place and I'm who I am, I don't hide my story and I'm happy to support them, but I agree with you, there has to be a commitment because a lot of people say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, of course, you meet the client where they are or the person, but if they keep on having resistance and not doing and not doing and not doing and not doing, at some point, you need to bring it to their awareness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at what stage actually had another question because I was thinking about what stage are you helping people in their journey?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where is the ideal time that somebody is picking up the phone, the phone?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What time that's, you know, nobody does that anymore?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What time in somebody's life or they like, hey, I need to go work with Sophia, things are just not right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually people hit me when they're far gone for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get that, I get some early on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But usually the people who are in my age group is when they're in complete despair, either they're wanting to commit suicide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, they're working with the psychiatrists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or they have in all these health ailments, or their marriage is basically their headed for divorce.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they would come earlier, but they come at the dire straits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, people, people, the teacher appears on the student is ready, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: My last question for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, guys, go to thinkonbrokenpodcast.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look up Sophia's episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll find all of this information and more in the show notes for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My last question for you, my friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What does it mean to you to be unbroken?

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[SPEAKER_00]: to actually feel joy and create to your full potential.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm broken is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're not going to have joy 24 seven, but to feel excited about living your life and connecting with people or creating something in your life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to feel it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as a drudgery, you know, you're enjoying your life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're connecting with this person, you're flowing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just comes with ease.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it means on work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we can all have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it is, we pick maybe you want, you know, a partner, or maybe it's a business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the successful people, Tony Robbins, he loves what he does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not work for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He loves and Dr. Joe loves what he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, great point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely love that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I think that if you're listening today and you're walking down this path of your life and you feel stuck, you feel lost, you feel like, man, there's something in Sofia's story that I resonate with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I encourage you reach out, you know, the whole point of this podcast is to put you in front of people who can help you transform your life and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: this might be your side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That said, so if you're my friend, thank you so much for being here on Broken Nation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys for listening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take care of yourselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take care of each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And until next time my friends, be Unbroken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see you.